Pppffftt! Experts. What do they know?
The way Bauer tortures and dispatches the bad guys in the series has become a talking point, but it's not one ["24" creator] Surnow shies away from: "We've had all of these torture experts come by recently, and they say, 'You don't realize how many people are affected by this. Be careful.' They say torture doesn't work. But I don't believe that.
Oh, well, you don't believe it. I guess that's different then. This guy is custom made for the Bush league. It doesn't matter to him what people who, you know, study the subject and deal with it as part of their actual jobs think. It's not what someone knows, it's how you feel about something that counts. Classic W.