Gross: So what are the other issues you want to hold him accountable for? Conservative judicial nominees...

Land: The pro-life issue, we want him to do everything he can to make this a pro-life administration and a pro-life government that protects and values every life from conception onward and welcomes all life. We want a president who will promote marriage. We strongly support his marriage reforms in the welfare reform act. The single thing that would eliminate more poverty than any other single thing that could be done in this country would be if fathers married the mothers of their children. We want him to strongly support the marriage protection amendment so that we do not have a judiciary forcing on the American people something that clearly 2/3 of the American people don't want and that is same-sex marriage.

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Gross: The evangelical groups that are focusing on gay marriage, abortion have been criticized by some other religious for not focusing on the values of peace and poverty in equal amounts. In other words, why is it, for instance, gay marriage that is so high on the agenda as opposed to peace or more jobs or better health care?

Land: Well, first of all, we are accused of focusing on those more than we do because that's all the media ever asks us about...

Gross: Well, let me just stop you, let me just stop you and say when I asked you about the priorities you know you talked about abortion, gay marriage.

Land: Yeah, but I'm going to talk about some more in just a second.

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Gross: There is an assumption that some people have that people of faith share a lot of the same political beliefs, but that isn't necessarily true. For example, the war in Iraq. The Bush white house obviously wanted to invade Iraq and pursue the war, the Pope opposed it. So I'm wondering, you know, what you think the Bible or faith, how that informs your decision about what the right policy should be and what you think informs the President's.

Land: Well, first of all, I don't think the President wanted to invade Iraq. I think that he came to the conclusion that it was necessary for the best interests of peace in the region and the best interests of protecting the United States to remove Saddam Hussein and his access to weapons of mass destruction and the possibility that the on-going cooperation between Al-Qaida and Iraq would degenerate into a quid pro quo where weapons of mass destruction were traded for favors and those weapons of mass destruction would be used against the population of the United States. That's a far thing from wanting to go to war in Iraq...

Gross: You said you believed in just war theory and one of President Bush's main arguments for invading Iraq was that they had weapons of mass destruction and this is what our administration argued before the United Nations and told us, the American citizens. You know, now it seems to be conclusive that there were none, at least there were none to be found. So, what is the Christian thing for President Bush to tell American citizens about that premise for the war which, so far, has proven false.

Land: Well, first of all, it wasn't the only premise for the war and it wasn't the only premise for the war at the time.

Gross: I understand that but it was the main one, I think it's fair to say. It is the one Colin Powell argued…

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Land: It may have been the main one to you, but it wasn’t to me. It wasn't to a lot of other Americans. It certainly was a significant factor in the argumentation for the war at that time. But it wasn't the only one.

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Land: ...The Republican party is a party of traditional religious values and of cultural conservatism. And there are a few vestigial relics like Arlen Specter and former governor Whitman around, but they're clearly in the minority and they're going to stay in the minority. ...Let me bring some really bad news to some of your listeners, the next Republican nominee for President will look an awful lot like George W. Bush.